Any tips on micro-journaling?

I really like writing short thoughts throughout the day. In other apps I would use the daily notes feature for that. Supernotes obviously has daily notes, but each thought is a card. An app like Twos is great for that, but it’s as ugly as sin.

In Supernotes, I’m still not sure the best way to handle short sentences and thoughts. Should I make one card that I add on to throughout the day? Just make a card for each thought? It’s tough making a full card for just one sentence and giving it a title. A few times I have made one card and added thoughts throughout the day as comments. But I don’t think comments export with the notes.

Any thoughts or tips?

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I was trying out using only the title for short sentences and leaving the body blank, but that also made it visually unappealing and lacked a lot of features.

I think given that each Card at the moment needs a Title, your best bet is to create one card per day and write everything into that.

I’d wish they had it so that if the Card Title is empty, it would simply not show.

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The recent copy card id feature helps with this a little bit, I’ve started using it for untitled cards.

Basically, I create a card and if I don’t have a title I save it. I then copy the generated id and use the first dash separated hash in that as the card title.

Autogenerated template based titles or something similar would be an awesome future feature / app behavior preference for something like this and a more traditional id=title zettelkasten style workflow.

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There are some fascinating workflows discussed in this thread! Thank you to everyone for sharing. Remember, there’s no right or wrong answer; it’s all about finding the workflow that suits you best.

One reason we advocate for the use of titles within Supernotes, aside from their current utility in navigation (like drag and drop), is their ability to help you organize, recall, and resurface your knowledge. While it might seem cumbersome for shorter cards, assigning titles makes it much easier to locate a card later on – even the act of thinking about a title can aid in memorizing the content. This approach aligns with the Zettelkasten method that many members appreciate.

A key advantage of Supernotes is that you don’t necessarily need a daily card but can instead view all cards within the daily view. Shifting your mindset from daily notes, which you might be accustomed to with other tools, can foster a more productive workflow, in our opinion. Instead of compiling all your thoughts for the day into one lengthy note, you have the option to create five or six notecards.

Cards that are unfinished, lacking a title or a parent because you haven’t yet given them structure, appear in your Thoughts Collection. This serves as a gentle nudge to either complete your thought and transform it into a permanent piece of knowledge or discard it if it’s no longer relevant (like a fleeting draft or shopping list). This process aids in curating your knowledge, ensuring that not everything is simply written down and recorded, but that the truly important information is preserved.

If you notice recurring themes over time, such as “Workouts,” “Reflections,” or “Meal Plans,” you can establish parent cards for these categories and organize the related cards accordingly. This strategy enables you to delve into specific aspects of your past months, such as consolidating all your workout logs in one place, a functionality that singular daily notes cannot provide.

Just some food for thought; I hope you find these insights useful. Feel free to share any additional thoughts below. We might even create a short YouTube video on this topic.

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Thank you Tobias,

if the Card Title is empty, it would simply not show if you exit the edit-mode

Is not displaying the “Placeholder Title” for untitled Cards also against Supernotes philosophy?

I get the explanation you offered and I generally do Title all my cards. Still, I feel like the Placeholder title adds unnecessary clutter to the card, if you’re currently not editing it.

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No problem @Yannic, that’s what we are here for.

The “Untitled” placeholder is intentionally designed to nudge you to fill in a title for that card. It serves as a quick reminder that a card is incomplete and not yet finished. By clicking or tapping on that field, you can immediately add a title. Removing this feature would result in many more cards without titles, leading to a worse experience overall.

Having said this, we’ve still experimented with not displaying the “Untitled” placeholder and found that it leads to a more jarring experience with inconsistent cards. For example, if a card has parents, they will appear at the top before any content, which can look a bit off.

However, we’re always open to feedback. If you’d like us to consider this further, please upvote the original post in this thread so we can gauge interest.

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@Iamjmw

Maybe as a workaround:
I’ve experimented with using very short Note titles and using a tag on the journal entries:

Together with the seemless mode, this might work for you too.
I think these ⋮ bullets look kind of aesthetic, but you can also use just a a . or a | or :label: or anything really.

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What I’m doing is using an Apple Shortcut to add the date and time to the note title. It’s not so bad for now. I can change the title later if I want.

Thanks for sharing @Iamjmw! Out of interest have you tried the new Telegram Bot? It creates a card with the date as the title and appends any message from the day to that same “Daily” notecard.

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I don’t use Telegram that much. I use Apple Shortcuts to send text to Supernotes via the API which is super fast for me.

The problem I am running in to is that I want to do journaling throughout the day and I haven’t found a great system for that. Supernotes is ok for that at times, but it’s better for deeper thoughts and knowledge. It’s not necessarily great for micro-journaling. I still haven’t found that app yet. Everlog is pretty good for just something like that.

But I’m currently using my Shortcut to send thoughts to Supernotes for now. It works pretty well.

Check out Journalistic, very new but promising for micro journaling! https://journalisticapp.com/

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Beyond purposes of “Micro-journalling” there’s a particular very powerful note-taking paradigm already “out there” that I think the Supernotes team could benefit from studying…

The app I consider to be the closest competitor to Supernotes in terms of philosophy and features is Mem.ai.

(I would probably be using it, if it weren’t for an extremely slow mobile app.)

Going further than Supernotes, their unit of focus is called a “mem” and it can be any snippet of text whatsoever.

For quick entry of thoughts, you’re encouraged to simply text the Mem app (through your main Text Message app).

At any point upon review, you can search by date, and you’ll see all those micro-journaled thoughts right there on the page, as if it was a daily journal. From there you can mass-tag or individually tag them for use in other filtered views.

The same applies for any type of note-taking you’re doing. You casually submit “mems” (thoughts) throughout the day, and at any time you can filter by tags or words-you-used to collect them on one page.

The difference being: While in Supernotes the unit container of information is a “Card” (which requires a title), in Mem.ai the unit container is in a sense the written thought itself. Which means that when you filter Mems by tags, dates, or text… you get – rather than a list of cards – a page full of the thoughts themselves, in one narrative flow.

In terms of elegance in really “going all the way” with this paradigm of flattening the hierarchy of information so that you can quickly filter for whatever you like from any direction…

Mem.ai definitely outdoes Supernotes.

But while the desktop version is genuinely an amazing experience in terms of power and flexibility… Unfortunately, the mobile version – at least last I checked – is strangely slow as to be unusable for my purposes.

That said, I do enjoy the “Cards” paradigm of Supernotes.

What I would wonder – maybe as a challenge to the Supernotes team – is if there could be a way to place even more emphasis on “The Thought Itself” rather than “The Card”?

What users are expressing in this thread is that “The ‘Cards’ are in the way of what we’re trying to accomplish.”

And yet, the driving philosophies of both Mem.ai and Supernotes is essentially the same.

So I wonder if there might be a simple way for Supernotes to incorporate Mem.ai-style note-taking?

Could it be as simple as a toggle for each card – or perhaps even globally thru preferences – to use cards “sans title” ?

(Maybe a user could, say, set all Light Blue cards to be in “Naked” mode.)

I think a so-called “Naked Mode” would make Supernotes essentially as capable as Mem.ai in terms of interacting with the “The Thoughts Themselves”…

… At least partly… in illusion, enough for certain users who would benefit from the powerful ability to, say, see a page of every individual thought you tagged #bookproject1 or in which you used the words “great idea”, presented all on one page in a single narrative – Rather than a bunch of cards that need to be clicked on.

Where I don’t see a simple toggle option matching what Mem.ai can do is that because they use individual thoughts as their basic container, it’s possible within any document to tag a single line to turn it into a searchable/filterable “mem”.

For example, you could go through your writing and tag great lines with “#quoting_myself” and then by clicking on the tag, you’ll instantly get a single page of your best lines.

That’s pretty revolutionary, I think. And I personally can’t foresee Supernotes accomplishing that without a fundamental recoding. But if you’re up to the challenge, I’d be excited to see the result!

But in the meantime, I think a good “Feature Request” that would help the causes of not just “Micro-Journaling” but overall making the user experience a bit more Seamless… By selectively eliminating the unnecessary “Card Interface” and showing the “Thoughts Themselves”… Would be to have a way to use cards in “Naked Mode”.

  • To present this feature request in a way that perfectly fits the “Cards” paradigm…

“Naked Mode” would be like using Index Cards as most students do in the writing phase of writing a research paper, organizing them in front of you with the written info visible.

(vs. What Supernotes currently allows, which is like looking at your card spread seeing only “Section 1: First Paragraph”, “Conclusion” etc.)

So essentially the feature request – (feel free Mods to cross-post this to Feature Requests, if appropriate) – is simply to have a mode where we can “Preferentially View The BACK of The Card” :blush:

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@rikradagast This is an interesting idea, and it’s clear that you’ve put a lot of thought into it. :heart:

However, I’m going to challenge you to think about this from the opposite perspective for a moment. Here are some questions to ponder:

  1. Does adding a title to a thought help with our understanding, recall, and ability to navigate and connect it?
  2. If so, when would we want to lose those advantages?
  3. What UX/UI cost would we have to pay to create, manage, and explain our two new classes of thought (i.e. explaining to a new user why a note has a “back”)?

One of the things that I love about Supernotes is how opinionated it is about the “right way” to take notes. It’s a tool that guides (not forces) us towards creating notes in a way that adds the highest future value.

For example, Supernotes already allows us to create a note without a title, and even gives us a special place to see all of our untitled and unconnected notes (the Thoughts collection). But the UX/UI is also subtly nudging us to see Thoughts as a temporary holding zone. It’s encouraging us to flesh them out—by summarising them with a crisp title, placing them into our hierarchy, and connecting them with related ideas.

@Tobias and @Connor are UX/UI geniuses, so there’s a chance they could take your “back of the card” idea and turn it into something wonderful. I’m sure if they did, they’d do it with the upmost care not to damage the simplicity and power that exists within the current “encourage the right behaviour” paradigm. :heart:

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I mean, I just really want a solution for when I have a quick thought that isn’t more than a sentence or two and don’t know what title to give it.

I think a lot of this comes down to how Supernotes is supposed to be used. It’s ok for some pkm apps to have specific use cases. Every pkm app doesn’t have to be everything to everyone.

I like to write small things throughout the day. Daily notes are great for that, but they usually are just small bullets in Obsidian. I would rather do that stuff in Supernotes because Supernotes is WAAAAYYY better looking, lol. But I just don’t know what to do with short notes.

My current solution is to use the Supernotes API in Apple Shortcuts and have the OpenAI API generate a title for me, lol.

So I guess I would love for Supernotes to have a feature where I start writing the note in the body and if no title is written, AI can write a title for me. This way, AI isn’t writing the content for me, but is just making a small title.

Sorry, I’m sort of thinking out loud.

@Tobias or @Connor, what advice do you have for small cards with just a sentence or two on them? How do you make a title for it?

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Yes, quick capture is something we think needs improvement. Still thinking about the best way to handle some of these use-cases in a way that doesn’t dilute the existing platform.

That said, for this currently I use our Telegram integration. Whenever I have a quick thought throughout the day, I send a message to the Telegram bot (which I have in “daily” mode) which appends a todo item to my daily card. Throughout the day, the Telegram bot will append those snippets to the same card. I then have a custom collection called “Telegram” which is just the cards tagged as “telegram”. Then periodically I will go through that collection and either check items off or move items to a different card / location, usually using the Move Coupler to move the content quickly. e.g.

Once a card is empty or fully checked off, I junk it.

We are adding a publicly accessible “daily” API endpoint for this purpose as well in Supernotes 3.1.5, which will allow you to integrate a similar flow without needing to use Telegram.

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Thanks for the quick response!

I like the idea of a daily card like that. I always wondered how to do that on Supernotes and have it work well. I like the way you do that. I’ll have to give it a shot.

I also had a method where I would make a daily card like that and then make comments on it throughout the day. I like that because the comments are timestamped which I love.

I’m going to try the Telegram workflow you suggested. I like that. Thanks!

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@Iamjmw just a quick thought. How come you don’t use the new Vision feature to generate card titles? Are the sentences not long enough to create a valid vision request?

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I did have that issue a few times. I have been using Vision more lately. Honestly, I forgot it even existed for a hot minute, lol. It’s not a major issue. I’m just having to slightly change how I use Supernotes a little bit. I may use Twos for quick small thoughts throughout the day. It’s not the prettiest app in the world, but it’s entire use case is basically just daily notes. And then I can use Supernotes for more formed thoughts. Obsidian just takes way too long to open on mobile to use for writing thoughts down and there is ZERO quick capture for it.

I use twos as well just to remember quick snippets of information of what I should remember like a journal I guess and SN is my Life2.0 OS with helpful documents and key dates and notes around home life.

The main benefit of Twos is that it doesn’t matter how many notes or things you write down or journal as its unlimited in terms of the amount of notes you can take. I feel a bit anxious when and if I get close to my total cards available to me!