Considering moving (back) to Obsidian

After a week or so of using the incredible Supernotes, I’m considering moving back to Obsidian. This is for the following reasons:

  1. Cost. I don’t have a lot of money. Obsidian is free, but I would pay a small amount to use their sync solution (I can get it at a discounted price)
  2. Obsidian works offline, opens offline, flawlessly. Supernotes’ web app (I’m using a Chromebook) doesn’t. I’m often in situations where I’m offline.
  3. My files are my files. Totally portable, available any time, anywhere, and synced if I want.
  4. Backlinks work in a more straightforward way in Obsidian. I can’t copy and paste backlinks from SN to Obsidian, it just doesn’t work.

I would stick with Supernotes because:

  1. I love the card format. It encourages me to write shorter notes and not ramble.
  2. It looks so good.
  3. Everything is set up and ready to go, requiring no set up or maintenance.
  4. The graph view looks sweet.

I’m posting this in the “Community Support” section because I need support in making this decision. Does anybody have any opinions/thoughts on the points I’ve raised?

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The tools you use should be your choice, based on your preferences. I’m not sure anyone here could or should be able to convince you to change your mind.

However, I would like to understand some of your reasons to leave a little better.

  1. Supernotes enables you to export your entire database, with all the associated metadata, as a JSON file. In Obsidian, you just have the markdown files. From one perspective, I’d argue that you have more ownership of your files in Supernotes.
  2. Why would you need backlinks to work across tools, if you’re picking between them?
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Thanks James, I appreciate your reply.

  1. I know this. But what can I do with a JSON file? I can’t easily view my notes from it, can I?
  2. It’s a great point. You’re coming from this with the viewpoint that I’m going to stick with a particular tool for the foreseeable future, which of course I should. But I appear to have a severe problem of not being able to commit.

I think there’s a bigger issue going on here…

You probably know this already, but you can export all of your notes as markdown files (i.e. feature parity with Obsidian).

The JSON file is an added bonus, because it contains all the metadata about links, backlinks, parent relationships, etc. So a software engineer can easily write a script that reads the JSON file, and recreates your entire Supernotes knowledge graph/tree in any other piece of future software that supports similar features. (i.e. it’s more feature reach than the raw markdown files).

So if Supernotes ever shuts down their servers one day (hopefully that never happens :crossed_fingers:), we’ll all still have complete access to our Supernotes data. :heart:

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Hi @dmsharpe, thanks for all the feedback! @JamesT is totally right, note-taking is personal and it’s important to find the tool that works best for you :heart:

Out of interest why don’t you use the Supernotes Desktop App for your Chromebook? Chrome OS is based on Linux so you should be able to run our Linux app. Then your Supernotes experience, incl. offline will be a lot smoother.

I would love to and have tried to run SN on Linux on my Chromebook, but when I try it tells me to “Integrate and run with AppImageLauncher”. Usually I can run AppImage files simply by changing the permissions and running ./whatever.AppImage. I don’t know “AppImageLauncher” and can’t work out how I might install it.

Hi @dmsharpe, sounds like you’re almost there. The toast that’s thrown asking you to install via AppImageLauncher can be ignored if you’ve used an alternative installation route which might be required for ChromeOS. The issue is that your system isn’t aware that it should use supernotes:// to open Supernotes for logging in (that’s what the AppImageLauncher does for you).

I’ve written up a quick guide that might be able to help you. Let me know you get on :blush:

Thank you for your help.

I have got as far as trying to open the deeplink in Chrome: supernotes://open

It doesn’t prompt me to open the appimage, instead it just tries to search for that term.

(I have, however, got the appimage working on my Ubuntu laptop, it was very straightforward. Chromebooks are a different beast!)

Glad to hear you got it working on your Ubuntu laptop.

Yes Chromebooks are quite different – Google makes it a lot harder to install custom apps. It should be possible, maybe just a simple restart would apply the deep link? Let us know if you end up figuring it out. Or if there’s ways we can improve the guide I wrote up last night.

As someone who has vacillated between both tools, here’s my take: it all depends on your goals. Though supernotes and obsidian may seem totally comparable on the surface, I think these tools each excel at solving fundamentally different problems.

Supernotes is optimized for learning. There are a few features/design choices that contribute to this:

  1. The character limit and card-oriented format forces you not only to capture information but to transform it. This, typically, forces you into a more retrieval-oriented process instead of a lookup or rereading based process. Studies about how we learn suggest that forced, effortful retrieval and information transformation processes like this are more conducive to learning.
  2. Supernotes emphasizes creating hierarchies in addition to creating freeform networked links. Again, this kind of feature forces the user into a more active form or learning. We are prompted to think about where information fits.
  3. Supernotes puts sharing at the forefront. This is another design element that makes it an optimal learning tool. Research shows that learning is amplified and strengthened when we make it a social process. I haven’t made much use of these features yet myself as a solo learner, but I hope to do so soon, probably through this forum.

Contrarily, while I think Obsidian is a great tool, I do not think it is as nearly as optimized for learning. Instead, I think Obsidian is a better choice if your aim really is to build a freeform collection of networked writings. If your goal is to actively learn and retain information as you capture it, Supernotes is probably a better choice. If your goal is to build up a large-scale network of arbitrary text with detailed metadata, that you primarily reference directly, instead of using as a learning aid, Obsidian might be better—but supernotes works quite well as a reference tool too.

This is probably a controversial take, but I actually think overemphasis of backlinks is bad. The human brain excels at associative thinking and by leveraging this function of the brain, we’re able to recall more information and deepen the neural connections that relate to a given piece of knowledge (consider, for example “memory palace” techniques, which are highly associative in nature). Use of backlinks offloads this associative processing to our tools, cutting off the brain’s chance to solidify these associative connections. I don’t think it’s bad to have backlinks around for later perusal, but what I would say is that emphasizing hierarchy more during the learning process is probably better. Everyone wants to be Niklas Luhmann and create a hyper-networked zettlekasten, but Luhmann was a unique and impressive thinker. In addition, we need to consider the ways in which analog methods make a difference. Luhmann’s entire system was in paper form, and he had to hand-write his notes. I’m not yet convinced that we can simply translate the same ideas to digital methods with the same effectiveness.

Obsidian has occasionally pulled me back when I find myself wanting to do freeform writing in the midst of learning, but the key here is actually to separate those two processes. Writing on a subject is a great way to reinforce learning, but we can make that a separate step from information capture, and, in fact, this will lead to better retrieval patterns and active engagement.

I do like the data model of obsidian—it’s comforting to know your data can stay wholly in your control, but, if you want to work with stuff on the go, you need to store it somewhere regardless (be it icloud, obsidian sync servers, etc.) so in the end, this is not really an advantage. I’ve also not had any issues yet regarding supernotes data storage or exporting data, which is great.

Finally, I think Obsidian’s plugin system, while super interesting, is actually just a huge distraction more often than not. Supernotes is an elegantly designed solution that works out of the box. Sure, it imposes certain constraints, but as I’ve argued here, I think pretty much all of those constraints are good ones when it comes to learning.

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That’s a fantastic breakdown! Thank you for sharing.

I don’t currently use Supernotes, but the idea of cards that you can link and nest, instead of long-form notes really appeals to me.

I use Obsidian because it offline-first and relies on markdown files, which means I’ll never lose access to my notes. But it’s really hard to find my old notes again when they would be relevant! I write them and forget about them, even though I make use of backlinks. I know there are ways to make it work but it’s a much more involved process that I don’t really have the energy for.

I really like the visibility that Supernotes gives you. You can see all of your cards in your feed and the outline. You can see the content of nested notes clearly under the parent note instead of having to open a sidebar and visit backlinked files.

But I don’t know if I’m okay with all that data being available online only. It’s great to hear that I can export my notes in Markdown and JSON, but it’s totally different from the files living on my computer and the system augmenting what’s already there…

I wonder… It must be technically possible to tweak Obsidian so that it looks more like Supernotes. Like, there’s no reason that notes in obsidian should be displayed a list of file names instead of cards with the first lines of the content shown as a preview!

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The plugin Cards View GitHub - jillro/obsidian-cards-view-plugin: Plugin for Obsidian.md. Displays a card view of your notes. can display notes as cards. Of courses it’s not as robust and user-friendly as Supernotes. :slightly_smiling_face:

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This is a huge upgrade for Obsidian! Thank you.